...in the sense that a customer with 100 people can inexpensively use Domino for their email, but they can't use it for their public web site. That sucks. :-/

I know, I know, a customer with 100 people doesn't necessarily want to buy a Utility Express server additionally to server anonymous users, but that is the requirement under the Collab Express license.

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"a customer with 100 people WON'T buy a Utility Express server additionally to server anonymous users"

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They just use a NON-IBM product, apache or IIS or whatever.

And then, since they're doing it anyway, they start doing their web apps in PHP or .NET.

Seen this countless times.

As with so much, this is not a TECHNICAL issue with IBM or it's software.

In the late 1990's we had MANY small business many clients with Domino-based web sites. Once the licensing terms became clear they moved away from Domino for web but almost all of them have kept Notes. What a shame. Each year, I see third parties nibble at pieces of what Domino does and has been doing since the mid 1990's - serving the web in a dynamic way.

While the enterprise server license may be fine for an enterprise with 500-50,000 users, the costs for an SMB to implement Domino are simply prohibitive.

As an SMB, all I can say is: yup. @1, @3, @4 are all right.

I have been playing with joombla for last few days and i have to say that you can do lot of cool stuff with this Free open source software. yes anonymous is FREE here.

I'm perplexed as to why the Lotus Foundations license allows anonymous yet "normal" Domino Express does not. Either way to have a web presence with Domino as a SMB customer it is going to cost you a couple of grand.

As @4 (Eric Mack) indicated this is a main area of attack for other third parties. A crying shame, but one that is extremely unlikely to be rectified.

"...extremely unlikely to be rectified"

Why not? It's a trivial change. And I can't believe it would have any negative revenue impact whatsoever.

My proposal to make *authenticated* Domino access free for non-employees it's pretty unlikely (though it would be a great complement to free anonymous as well) but I can't see why entitling Express customers to host their public websites on Domino would meet resistance. It's certainly for more useful than the TDI entitlement for an SMB.

Darren,

is Foundations different ?

I contacted the IBM foundations lead in the UK after the comments Ray Davies made on your podcast about Foundations being special.

IBM in the UK was unable to provide foundations specific licensing and suggested using the lotus notes licensing.

Their quoted use case ( 10 staff and 100 customers accessing authenticated data from an nsf with just 10 licences ) fell apart as the conversation progressed.

In the end I was told that it would require 110 licences

Sean