I think I know what to do here.

Give what they did to a company I know, this does not surprise me.

I guess unchecked = yeah, it does that, too?

Apparently fact checking at the Wall St. Journal only extends to articles, not to ads.

They told out company in a call that Lotus Notes is dead and no one uses.

Its unfortunate, but Lotus Knows that its hard to actually reconnect a brand with its customers once your competitor - MS -persuades them its no longer supported.

That assertion is working gangbusters here in the UK as of course, LotusKnows when we'll get a campaign. Last one was in 1999 - the SuperHumanSoftware campaign.

These guys are just building on the 'new' collaboration market - Sharepoint - and of course highlighting its complete lack of capability. Post Sharepoint blues, if you like.

Hardly surprising.

---* Bill

To make them post an equally large retraction.

They wouldn't need to go far to find out the reality, the UK address is:

Salesforce.com UK, Block Two, Lotus Park, Kingsbury Crescent, The Causeway, Staines, Middlesex TW18 3AG, U.K.

"Lotus Place"? I guess they though that you built cars over there. Lies, lies damn lies and SaaS (or more correctly $aa$).

If we take it that Lotus Notes is the client, and not old school including the server. Then lets think about it.

They could in fact argue that without a server Notes can't even do collaboration.

Notes with Facebook and Twitter? Out of the box no, with a plugin yes.

Notes cloud computing, again if talking about the client obviously not, IBM doesnt yet offer true Notes in the cloud does it? or does it, that whole naming thing has confused me too much to know, is iNotes notes or is hosted notes notes?

Mobile, iPhone with and balckberry requires BES. Mobile native Notes apps?

Development tools, well that's designer not notes.

I agree it's Bullshit, but I could see how a marketer could spin it as truth. At least Salesforce are doing advertising that includes the product names and gives some idea as to what it does. I mean lets face it, many of the Lotus Knows tag lines aren't true for Notes unless you add a google widget to the product.

@9, OK, I'll bite :)

Let's say they are talking about the client, rebuttal ensures:

1) Collaboration implies a server, but you could always use POP3 in the client and collaborate over email or hook into a 3rd party Sametime server like Lotus Greenhouse.

2) Facebook, et al...fair point, but without the Salesforce API Chatter wouldn't be possible, so isn't that in essence also a "plug-in" (more an extension but you get the point).

3) Cloud : If they are indeed talking client then this is misleading as cloud implies a server component. I could argue that Salesforce is useless without a browser but that is just as ridiculous (not to mention the security implications of ONLY using the swiss cheese security mis-mash that browsers are). So if we take the meaning to be implicit, then "LotusLive Notes" is the product naming at this time ;)

4) Mobile : I can use BlackBerry Desktop Manager and sync from Lotus Notes to the "native" app on the BlackBerry. Every BlackBerry ships with this CD in the package. So with POP3....no server required. Don't know iPhone so I can't comment.

5) Development : Really? A nomenclature argument?

Now, I would not, under any circumstances, ever try to use Notes without a Domino server. Just as I wouldn't try to use Salesforce without a browser. I'm thinking the ad stipulates "Lotus Notes" as most regular users have no idea what "Lotus Domino" is.