This ad was published in the Wall Street Journal on April 5th. Anyone care to point out the blatant lies? and truth in advertising - shocking that they think they can lie about Lotus Notes

Consider an open invitation to to actually publish something that vaguely resembles the truth. Even Microsoft have trouble going this low.

And it is just me, or does the "Chatter" quote from Fortune make it sound like a female toy used for, well, naughty things? "Flexible and Fun". O-er.
Darren Duke   |   April 6 2010 10:41:32 AM   |    lotus notes    |  
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1 - Ed Brill    04/06/2010 11:01:47 AM

I think I know what to do here.

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2 - Richard Moy    04/06/2010 11:10:12 AM

Give what they did to a company I know, this does not surprise me.

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3 - Lisa Duke    04/06/2010 11:19:41 AM

I guess unchecked = yeah, it does that, too?

Apparently fact checking at the Wall St. Journal only extends to articles, not to ads.

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4 - Denny Russell    04/06/2010 11:56:31 AM

They told out company in a call that Lotus Notes is dead and no one uses.

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5 - Bill Buchan    04/06/2010 1:33:46 PM

Its unfortunate, but Lotus Knows that its hard to actually reconnect a brand with its customers once your competitor - MS -persuades them its no longer supported.

That assertion is working gangbusters here in the UK as of course, LotusKnows when we'll get a campaign. Last one was in 1999 - the SuperHumanSoftware campaign.

These guys are just building on the 'new' collaboration market - Sharepoint - and of course highlighting its complete lack of capability. Post Sharepoint blues, if you like.

Hardly surprising.

---* Bill

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6 - Tim Paque       04/06/2010 3:02:05 PM

To make them post an equally large retraction.

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7 - Steve Castledine    04/07/2010 7:23:48 AM

They wouldn't need to go far to find out the reality, the UK address is: UK, Block Two, Lotus Park, Kingsbury Crescent, The Causeway, Staines, Middlesex TW18 3AG, U.K.

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8 - Darren Duke    04/07/2010 8:19:03 AM

"Lotus Place"? I guess they though that you built cars over there. Lies, lies damn lies and SaaS (or more correctly $aa$).

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9 - Carl Tyler    04/07/2010 8:35:37 AM

If we take it that Lotus Notes is the client, and not old school including the server. Then lets think about it.

They could in fact argue that without a server Notes can't even do collaboration.

Notes with Facebook and Twitter? Out of the box no, with a plugin yes.

Notes cloud computing, again if talking about the client obviously not, IBM doesnt yet offer true Notes in the cloud does it? or does it, that whole naming thing has confused me too much to know, is iNotes notes or is hosted notes notes?

Mobile, iPhone with and balckberry requires BES. Mobile native Notes apps?

Development tools, well that's designer not notes.

I agree it's Bullshit, but I could see how a marketer could spin it as truth. At least Salesforce are doing advertising that includes the product names and gives some idea as to what it does. I mean lets face it, many of the Lotus Knows tag lines aren't true for Notes unless you add a google widget to the product.

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10 - Darren Duke    04/07/2010 8:49:01 AM

@9, OK, I'll bite :)

Let's say they are talking about the client, rebuttal ensures:

1) Collaboration implies a server, but you could always use POP3 in the client and collaborate over email or hook into a 3rd party Sametime server like Lotus Greenhouse.

2) Facebook, et al...fair point, but without the Salesforce API Chatter wouldn't be possible, so isn't that in essence also a "plug-in" (more an extension but you get the point).

3) Cloud : If they are indeed talking client then this is misleading as cloud implies a server component. I could argue that Salesforce is useless without a browser but that is just as ridiculous (not to mention the security implications of ONLY using the swiss cheese security mis-mash that browsers are). So if we take the meaning to be implicit, then "LotusLive Notes" is the product naming at this time ;)

4) Mobile : I can use BlackBerry Desktop Manager and sync from Lotus Notes to the "native" app on the BlackBerry. Every BlackBerry ships with this CD in the package. So with server required. Don't know iPhone so I can't comment.

5) Development : Really? A nomenclature argument?

Now, I would not, under any circumstances, ever try to use Notes without a Domino server. Just as I wouldn't try to use Salesforce without a browser. I'm thinking the ad stipulates "Lotus Notes" as most regular users have no idea what "Lotus Domino" is.